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Posted: January 10, 2008 01:52 PM
Author: Peter Manzo

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If your height was proportional to your income, how tall would you be? And what does that have to do with reducing a host of ills like violence, teen pregnancy and more?

The likely answer appears further below. For now, though, consider a recent study which proposes that many social ills aren’t due just to the fact of low economic power in absolute terms, but the disparity in relative terms, the level of inequality. According to a profile in the current issue of Stanford Social Innovation Review, the University of Nottingham study posits that inequality – the relative distribution of wealth – is an important indicator of disparities in life outcomes across nations, not just of relative deprivation within them. As shown in one table, they find that the smaller the gap between the income of the top and bottom quintiles, the higher the average math and literacy scores of children. (Indeed, if inequality is in fact so important, it may help explain whey, for example, a nation as rich as the U.S. ranks last among 20 industrial societies in “amenable mortality” (preventable death before age 75), as shown in table from a recent study, also from England, highlighted by Paul Krugman.

Whether the ills are caused by low incomes themselves or by inequality, it should be clear that reducing poverty for people at the lower end of the scale would be more powerful than any other form of intervention. The question is how to do this. 

“You can win an increase in wages (for the working poor), but then they just lose all that and more on rising rents,” as a very experienced public interest lawyer in Los Angeles recently observed to a couple colleagues and me. This “whack a mole” quality means fighting poverty requires a comprehensive approach, one that reaches across all the different disciplines, and different institutions, from hospitals and clinics, to schools, to youth development programs, teen pregnancy, and outside the sector to include business and labor. 

Precisely because poverty has so many facets, however, calling for reducing it can sound hopelessly vague. In the same conversation, that public interest lawyer also observed, “When we came out of school in the 60s and 70s, we all thought we were poverty fighters first. Somewhere along the way we instead became experts in mental health, education, homelessness. We need to get back to having a common project. ” The same fragmentation is easy to see throughout the nonprofit, academic, and policy worlds. At a recent meeting of academics, foundation officers and nonprofit leaders in LA to think about ways to forecast and track progress in the region, the group was divided over whether to focus on actors and outcomes in a certain field, such as health or education, which seemed more practicable, or to try a more holistic approach. I and others suggested the group track poverty and outcomes related to it. Our reasoning was that the students who fail, the people who get sick and die for lack of health insurance or health care, the people who suffer homelessness or untreated mental illness, and so on, are, by and large, the poor. Indeed, it is often the very same people who get sick, drop out of school, can’t find work or adequate housing – they show multiple indicators of the sickness of poverty (there is a medical term for this that I can’t recall just now). 

Now raise your hand if at some point in reading this your mind touched on the old saw, “the poor you will always have with you.” 1 This is often invoked to argue against efforts to reduce poverty. Even assuming that poverty cannot be eradicated, certainly it makes sense to try to lift as many people out of poverty as possible, doesn’t it? You would think so. But unfortunately, many public debates about reducing poverty in the U.S. get hung up on the related issue of reducing inequality, and quickly devolve into arguments over redistribution and the ethics and possibly counterproductive effects of inhibiting the otherwise free flow of wealth to the top, in our trickle-up economy.

Here’s where we get back to how tall we would be if measured by our incomes. The Nottingham study’s emphasis on inequality made me think of this graphic, from a terrific 2006 Atlantic Monthly article on rising inequality by Clive Crook [for the graphic alone; for the full article] is a stunning illustration of the distribution of economic power.

In his article, Crook described a very powerful thought experiment by Jan Ven in which he imagined a parade of people whose heights were determined by their incomes - at the beginning of the parade, people are so small they are hard to see, but by the end, the very rich, like Bill Gates, are so tall you can barely see the tops of their shoes. This illustration, to me, shows that not only would we want to increase incomes for those at the shorter end of the spectrum, but also that concerns about reducing the height of the gargantuan people in the top few percentiles shouldn’t hold much weight – they can easily stand to grow at a slower rate than they have in the past couple of decades. Most importantly, it simply presents a more accurate picture of the disparities than any recital of statistics could.

So how do we in all our diverse subfields and sectors move toward fighting poverty as our common project? And does the push for measurable results, ironically, undercut progress on this larger quest?

1. Another important point, but perhaps beyond the scope of a journal on social innovation, in this form the aphorism is misleading, because it is taken out of context. Consult your own spiritual advisors, of whatever denomination, for an explanation.

imagePeter Manzo is the director of strategic initiatives for the Advancement Project, a civil rights advocacy organization, and a senior research fellow with the Center for Civil Society in the UCLA School of Public Affairs. Previously, he was the executive director and general counsel of the Center for Nonprofit Management. 

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Interesting reflections, Peter.  That graphic does leave an impression.  On the idea of the “poor will always be with you,” there was another, secular version of this offered by “functionalist” social scientists—most notably by Herbert Gans in a famous 1971 essay, “The Uses of Poverty.”  Gans tried to explain why poverty was so persistent by identifying the functions that the poor serve in a society.  This was sort of a more sophisticated version of the old “every society needs ditch diggers” argument (and to be fair the functionalists were trying to explain an observed fact of persistent poverty, not defend it).  And while I don’t find this functionalist explanation all that convincing, ultimately, it does seem to reinforce in an odd way the point you make here that the focus on reducing inequality might detract from attention to reducing poverty.  If we accept the premise that the lowest strata of any society serves important functions, that doesn’t mean the lowest strata has to be poor in some absolute sense.  Ditch diggers can be paid a living wage, after all, as many a socialist utopian novel has shown.  (Again, this is not my argument, nor yours, just another angle on the discussion.)  In the end, though, the question is (as you hint at the end) how do we measure when a standard of living reaches the threshold of “not poor” if we don’t measure that relative to the standard of living of the others in a given society (or a planet)?

»» Posted by: Michael Moody on January 17, 2008 12:14 AM

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Thank you Pete and the first commenter for reminding me that, while society may always have a high and a low, the low doesn’t have to be poverty. It’s an important distinction to remember - that a functioning society must be able to support the minimum needs of ALL of its people.

Amy Sausser

»» Posted by: Amy Sausser on January 22, 2008 12:33 PM

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Amy and Anonymous,

Thank you both for your comments.  I’m glad you found some glimmer of insight in what I tried to write.  I absolutely agree, though there may always be some who have far less than others, there is no reason they can’t have more freedom, more choices, than what in the US today, at least, their low incomes affords them.  Amartya Sen, the Nobel laureate economist, has to my mind the most promising take on economic development and reducingpoverty, and one that enables better comparisons across societies. To those who would say the poor in the US are much better off than the poor in other nations, he points out (the review of the Nottingham study made a similar point) that, for example, black men (not just poor black men) in the U.S. have shorter life expectancy than much poorer men in China and Kerala, India, and urban black men in the U.S. have lower life expectancies than men in Bangladesh and several other developing countries as well.  (Sen, Development as Freedom (1998), at 22-23.)  He argues the proper measure for development, and to my mind, the proper way to view poverty, is the increase or decrease in the real freedom people enjoy – their ability to make choices in their lives – rather than per capita income.

Part of what I found interesting in the graphic from the Clive Crook article and the review of the Nottingham study is that they indicate that the degree of inequality, on its own, distinct from poverty levels, makes an important difference, too.  Too often we hear arguments (mostly from conservatives) that go something like “well, even the poorest in the U.S. are wealthy compared to people in other countries.  They have TVs, even cell phones.”  (Horrors!). This argument is usually used to argue against both calls to reduce poverty (really, the poor are richer than you think) and to reduce inequality (sure, the rich are getting richer, but the poor aren’t so bad off).  The Nottingham study raises the likelihood that, even if we assume for argument’s sake that the poor in a wealthy nation like the US are fairly well off, a high degree of inequality in itself leads to significant harm, and that reducing inequality may pay dividends in better outcomes across the board in education, health and other areas.

One example about inequality I can’t resist adding.  In high cost areas (e.g., Los Angeles or New York City), there’s no doubt that, as one person we interviewed last summer observed, “the super-rich distort everything for everyone else.”  Just ask anyone who’s tried to buy a house in Southern California.  That’s what is behind the quote from the public interest lawyer about rents outstripping even living wages.  In a real sense, rising incomes at the top really do affect the choices and options for middle and lower income people, not just in expensive cities, but across the nation (look at college and private school tuitions, for one). 

Thanks again for your comments!

»» Posted by: Pete Manzo on January 22, 2008 11:41 PM

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Pete, I was the unintentionally anonymous author of the first comment.  Didn’t realize I had to put my name in the comment itself for it to show up….

Anyway, you are exactly right to point to Sen’s understanding as an extremely wise approach to this.  I had forgotten about that book, even though it is one I didn’t want to forget.  It brilliantly demonstrates how having “freedom” or “choice” depends on structural factors, so champions of freedom (of which there are plenty in our country) need to first be champions of development. 

-Michael Moody

»» Posted by: Michael Moody on January 25, 2008 02:22 PM

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